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Car Body #2


As of March 28, 2024, this is the information we have about this car:

[Feb.01.2017] Car #2 has survived; there was an entry in Feb., 2001, in the former Cadillac Database Guest Book [which I was compelled to scrap when it became too easy a target for pernicious purveyors of porn!]. The writer said he knew that car and had worked on it years earlier; he wrote: #21960 Eldorado Brougham I believe has been owned by an individual in Ann Arbor, MI.It has been in his possession for many years. He purchased it from an owner in California.White with black leather interior [the original interior was blue]. Late extra [June, 2003]: according to my friend Jerry Jansson, of Sweden, who keeps an even more watchful eye than me over all Eldorado Brougham movements, this car is currently available for sale. It is described as' very solid' but ' needing paint' . The asking price is $14,000 and the vendor, Bob Jones, may be reached by phone at #734-769-5812 (yes, the car is inMichigan). Later [December, 2003]: from enthusiast and Brougham owner, Damon Lenszner in the UK (57EB #130):ELDORADO: 1960 Brougham, solid 44,000 miles, #2 of 101, rare white car needing paint,cosmetics, $18,900; many 1938-1988 Cadillac parts, call for list. PH/FAX: 330-544-0242,OH. So the car appears to have gone from Michigan to Ohio ...and increased in value, on the way, by $5,000 ! Even later [June, 2004]:I saw this one advertised in Hemmings with an Ohio phone number. Later still [August 2005]: the car was advertised for sale on eBay; it was bid up to$12,600 but did not meet the reserve. The vendor described it thus: This car was one of 100 [actually 101] designed in Italy by Pinin Farina [it was actually designed by Fleetwood and only' assembled' by PF]. This Eldorado Brougham , body number 2, was originally sold in Phoenix, Arizona. The sticker price was $13,075.00, the original selling dealer sold the car for $12,000.00. The carhad been in Arizona and the southern California are until 1980. Since then, the car was kept in storage in Michigan undergoing restoration. A NOS windshield was installed in 1981, this was purchased from anobsolete LOF parts warehouse in Boston, Massachusetts. The engine compartmentand the front suspension have been rebuilt and/or painted and detailed, carbs rebuilt-however the float is hung up on the center carb; for this reason the car cannot be driven. In 1990 the original air suspension was replaced with conventional coil springs. At thattime the car sat outside at the service facility and the paint crazed and flaked off insome areas. The car was quickly repainted. All the body moldings and Broughamemblems are solid brass and held on with threaded fasteners, no clips. The windshield and rear window moldings are brass, hard shouldered in the corners and chrome plated. Theweight of the car is 5,650 pounds. It has excellent and correct triple w/w generaltires. The chrome is straight and beautiful. The car is rust free, and one of only100[101] produced with Pinin Farina body. It has 45,000 miles,runs [vendor previously says: the car cannot be driven' ] ,excellent chrome, new windshield, fully optioned, correct tri-power, correct tires, needsrestoration. The car is currently in North Jackson, Ohio. Later yet [May, 2006] Jerry Jansson,my Swedish ' Brougham detective' , reports that the car was sold on eBay on May26, 2006 for $13,375. Cheap at the price ! Latestyet [March, 2009]: The new owner contacted me and reports as follows: ... I was in Sweden last year hoping to run into Jerry [Jansson].I did buy the car in May '06 for $13,375. Basically everything about the car on theData Base was and is true. It took me 3 months to finally find a shipper (Fed Ex) tobring the car from Bob Jones in Ohio in an enclosed Van at a reasonable price. Most carriers were open air and couldn't guarantee they would protect the windshield from rocks. The gas gauge was at 1/2 tank when it arrived (but it was actually bone dryso it took us forever to start the darned thing). The car ran, with gas, but the whole carb set up and vacuums were shot ... it smoked like crazy I guess it was original miles but the engine was never rebuilt ... or started much for that matter ... Now she purrs like a 390 should. I pulled all the glass and bumpers etc., stripped her down andrepainted her twice so far, once Alpine White (the shop did not believe me thatChamonix White is a different color) so she's beautiful. All the chrome trim pieces and rain rails were redone. I found a new rear glass (mine had a grinderscrape on it) and I had an new rear rubber molding too. I'm still trying to locate, or make, or find a new molding for the front glass (which we've been very carefulnot to break the 2 times it's been out of the car for the 2 paint jobs). The dash has been completely redone by ' Just Dashes' . I have the original BLUE trunk material to install yet,, as well as the interior to finish..back to the original bluestripped broad cloth and leather combo. I need to also redo the headliner and Mouton carpet. I'm still waiting on Oregon [SMS?] to get me the cloth and other stuff to finish the car. Oh, I also polished the aluminum grille ... looks great! If I can get the windshield rubber before 6/15/09, I'll drive it to the Grand Nationals in Vegas for everyone to see. By the way the rear glass came from car #69that's at the bottom of the data base listed as maybe #10,28,45 no it's definitely 69 [thanks,Tony; I've amended the entry]. Also, the black interior in my car came from car number 17 that was cut in half and made into a 2 door then scraped. I have several parts of that car with the #17 stamped on them. Tony Pociunas, Los Angeles, CA.

Car Body #2


[Feb.01.2017] Car #2 has survived; there was an entry in Feb., 2001, in the former Cadillac Database Guest Book [which I was compelled to scrap when it became too easy a target for pernicious purveyors of porn!]. The writer said he knew that car and had worked on it years earlier; he wrote: #21960 Eldorado Brougham I believe has been owned by an individual in Ann Arbor, MI.It has been in his possession for many years. He purchased it from an owner in California.White with black leather interior [the original interior was blue]. Late extra [June, 2003]: according to my friend Jerry Jansson, of Sweden, who keeps an even more watchful eye than me over all Eldorado Brougham movements, this car is currently available for sale. It is described as' very solid' but ' needing paint' . The asking price is $14,000 and the vendor, Bob Jones, may be reached by phone at #734-769-5812 (yes, the car is inMichigan). Later [December, 2003]: from enthusiast and Brougham owner, Damon Lenszner in the UK (57EB #130):ELDORADO: 1960 Brougham, solid 44,000 miles, #2 of 101, rare white car needing paint,cosmetics, $18,900; many 1938-1988 Cadillac parts, call for list. PH/FAX: 330-544-0242,OH. So the car appears to have gone from Michigan to Ohio ...and increased in value, on the way, by $5,000 ! Even later [June, 2004]:I saw this one advertised in Hemmings with an Ohio phone number. Later still [August 2005]: the car was advertised for sale on eBay; it was bid up to$12,600 but did not meet the reserve. The vendor described it thus: This car was one of 100 [actually 101] designed in Italy by Pinin Farina [it was actually designed by Fleetwood and only' assembled' by PF]. This Eldorado Brougham , body number 2, was originally sold in Phoenix, Arizona. The sticker price was $13,075.00, the original selling dealer sold the car for $12,000.00. The carhad been in Arizona and the southern California are until 1980. Since then, the car was kept in storage in Michigan undergoing restoration. A NOS windshield was installed in 1981, this was purchased from anobsolete LOF parts warehouse in Boston, Massachusetts. The engine compartmentand the front suspension have been rebuilt and/or painted and detailed, carbs rebuilt-however the float is hung up on the center carb; for this reason the car cannot be driven. In 1990 the original air suspension was replaced with conventional coil springs. At thattime the car sat outside at the service facility and the paint crazed and flaked off insome areas. The car was quickly repainted. All the body moldings and Broughamemblems are solid brass and held on with threaded fasteners, no clips. The windshield and rear window moldings are brass, hard shouldered in the corners and chrome plated. Theweight of the car is 5,650 pounds. It has excellent and correct triple w/w generaltires. The chrome is straight and beautiful. The car is rust free, and one of only100[101] produced with Pinin Farina body. It has 45,000 miles,runs [vendor previously says: the car cannot be driven' ] ,excellent chrome, new windshield, fully optioned, correct tri-power, correct tires, needsrestoration. The car is currently in North Jackson, Ohio. Later yet [May, 2006] Jerry Jansson,my Swedish ' Brougham detective' , reports that the car was sold on eBay on May26, 2006 for $13,375. Cheap at the price ! Latestyet [March, 2009]: The new owner contacted me and reports as follows: ... I was in Sweden last year hoping to run into Jerry [Jansson].I did buy the car in May '06 for $13,375. Basically everything about the car on theData Base was and is true. It took me 3 months to finally find a shipper (Fed Ex) tobring the car from Bob Jones in Ohio in an enclosed Van at a reasonable price. Most carriers were open air and couldn't guarantee they would protect the windshield from rocks. The gas gauge was at 1/2 tank when it arrived (but it was actually bone dryso it took us forever to start the darned thing). The car ran, with gas, but the whole carb set up and vacuums were shot ... it smoked like crazy I guess it was original miles but the engine was never rebuilt ... or started much for that matter ... Now she purrs like a 390 should. I pulled all the glass and bumpers etc., stripped her down andrepainted her twice so far, once Alpine White (the shop did not believe me thatChamonix White is a different color) so she's beautiful. All the chrome trim pieces and rain rails were redone. I found a new rear glass (mine had a grinderscrape on it) and I had an new rear rubber molding too. I'm still trying to locate, or make, or find a new molding for the front glass (which we've been very carefulnot to break the 2 times it's been out of the car for the 2 paint jobs). The dash has been completely redone by ' Just Dashes' . I have the original BLUE trunk material to install yet,, as well as the interior to finish..back to the original bluestripped broad cloth and leather combo. I need to also redo the headliner and Mouton carpet. I'm still waiting on Oregon [SMS?] to get me the cloth and other stuff to finish the car. Oh, I also polished the aluminum grille ... looks great! If I can get the windshield rubber before 6/15/09, I'll drive it to the Grand Nationals in Vegas for everyone to see. By the way the rear glass came from car #69that's at the bottom of the data base listed as maybe #10,28,45 no it's definitely 69 [thanks,Tony; I've amended the entry]. Also, the black interior in my car came from car number 17 that was cut in half and made into a 2 door then scraped. I have several parts of that car with the #17 stamped on them. Tony Pociunas, Los Angeles, CA.